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Igenlode Wordsmith ([personal profile] igenlode) wrote2021-03-06 12:51 am

Phantom fanfic pet peeves

Why do people write 'Messieur' instead of 'Monsieur'?

Why do they have absolutely no idea about how titles work in English, let alone in French? (Hint: they're geographical. You can't be 'Duke Wellesley' -- or even 'Sir Drinkwater'.)

Why does Raoul always live in 'Chagny Manor', when the French don't have manor houses, the house described is never anything like a manor, and manors are also geographical rather than having family names tacked on the front?

Why do they keep inserting inappropriate modern slang into the characters' mouths alongside laborious attempts to prove how 'period-accurate' their social attitudes are? (NB: 19th-century French characters did not think of themselves as 'Victorian' -- why would they care about the English Queen? -- and they certainly didn't walk around monologuing about oppressive 'Victorian' beliefs and clothing; they saw themselves as modern and in general more enlightened than anything that had come before them. Nobody in the 1960s talked about 'Sixties attitudes', for example -- they talked about 'modern attitudes', whether with disapproval or satisfaction.)



I suspect the answer to most of these is that the authors all copy each other in a game of Chinese whispers, just as they all crib the same bad sex motifs because they don't have any experience in that department either... but what exactly is the point of those unbearably cutesy titles all in lower case? Are they supposed to represent some kind of hashtag communication, or just a postmodern attitude to punctuation?
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[personal profile] cosette_giry 2021-04-06 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
I'll be honest - the year where POTO takes place (1881) doesn't take place in a time that's particularly... interesting from a historical standpoint, at least for me? Not that nothing is happening - public elementary schools become free and secular (schools belonging to the clergy become private) and freedom of press becomes protected by law, but it's not really stuff that will directly affect POTO nor is it really relevant to include it in fanfic. There's the Great Exposition of 1889, Eiffel Tower and all, but that's obviously much later, and the Belle Époque starts in earnest in 1896. I guess it's kind of convenient for the story to take place in 1881 like the musical does, since nothing happens that would directly affect the plot... unlike the movie happening in 1870 :P

I also admit I know very little about how French nobility fared after the fall of the Second Empire - I managed to find this article (in French) that goes into detail about it and how the bourgeoisie got mixed up with the nobility class: https://www.cairn.info/revue-histoire-economie-et-societe-2011-1-page-85.htm

Or if I ever write a fic with exhaustive historical research about Christine and Raoul post-POTO... I might just take the easy path and have them emigrate to England, since I know A LOT more about Gilded Age American heiresses marrying English Lords :P
Edited 2021-04-06 01:00 (UTC)