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Contrary to my expectations, I *did* manage to get an AO3 membership request and creation working this time round: https://archiveofourown.org/users/Igenlode
And I managed to upload a trial chapter; one of the problems with not having access to my original home page is that I don't actually have a record of when the various works were initially written (as versus when the file on my hard disc was last saved, which can often be years later -- as in this case!) So I can't backdate them so that they don't show up as brand-new works, even if I wanted to.
I have to say I'm immediately reminded of just why I find AO3 so difficult to navigate -- because of the 'everyone tags everything' ethos, it's not practical to do a quick skim through ignoring every story with an explicit Erik/Christine tag [†], because it's all hidden within a massive list of characters and potential relationships. And of course almost all of them *are* Erik/Christine stories, because that's where the fandom demand is...
But it did work. Handling long freeform text tags without auto-complete is a complete pain (just try typing "Le Fantôme de l'Opéra | Phantom of the Opera & Related Fandoms" with identically-placed spacing and accents, especially given that trying to highlight and paste keeps causing the clickable link to activate instead!), but at least they do allow the option to do it manually. Uploading a single chapter is very laborious, and I think I need to deploy one of the various form-filler apps if I'm going to do multiple chapters/stories, but to be fair it is actually *more* accessible than FFnet's approach, where I used not to be able to get past the fandom selection popup, and had to reselect the characters listed from the start for each story if anything else went wrong with the submission.
† Actually, you can -- the various filter links don't do anything, but if you type the text strings into the 'other tags to exclude' writable icon, that has the same effect, e.g. Exclude: Christine Daaé/Erik | Phantom of the Opera, M/M
On the whole I'm happier with the approach that displays everything and lets you 'filter' it visually according to the clues given and your own judgement -- that search link would exclude "Fraternité", for example -- but the option to do it via manual override is there. Now if only there were an option to search Dreamwidth tags for a combination of "fic-meta" AND "swedish", for example...
And I managed to upload a trial chapter; one of the problems with not having access to my original home page is that I don't actually have a record of when the various works were initially written (as versus when the file on my hard disc was last saved, which can often be years later -- as in this case!) So I can't backdate them so that they don't show up as brand-new works, even if I wanted to.
I have to say I'm immediately reminded of just why I find AO3 so difficult to navigate -- because of the 'everyone tags everything' ethos, it's not practical to do a quick skim through ignoring every story with an explicit Erik/Christine tag [†], because it's all hidden within a massive list of characters and potential relationships. And of course almost all of them *are* Erik/Christine stories, because that's where the fandom demand is...
But it did work. Handling long freeform text tags without auto-complete is a complete pain (just try typing "Le Fantôme de l'Opéra | Phantom of the Opera & Related Fandoms" with identically-placed spacing and accents, especially given that trying to highlight and paste keeps causing the clickable link to activate instead!), but at least they do allow the option to do it manually. Uploading a single chapter is very laborious, and I think I need to deploy one of the various form-filler apps if I'm going to do multiple chapters/stories, but to be fair it is actually *more* accessible than FFnet's approach, where I used not to be able to get past the fandom selection popup, and had to reselect the characters listed from the start for each story if anything else went wrong with the submission.
† Actually, you can -- the various filter links don't do anything, but if you type the text strings into the 'other tags to exclude' writable icon, that has the same effect, e.g. Exclude: Christine Daaé/Erik | Phantom of the Opera, M/M
On the whole I'm happier with the approach that displays everything and lets you 'filter' it visually according to the clues given and your own judgement -- that search link would exclude "Fraternité", for example -- but the option to do it via manual override is there. Now if only there were an option to search Dreamwidth tags for a combination of "fic-meta" AND "swedish", for example...
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Handling long freeform text tags without auto-complete is a complete pain (just try typing "Le Fantôme de l'Opéra | Phantom of the Opera & Related Fandoms" with identically-placed spacing and accents, especially given that trying to highlight and paste keeps causing the clickable link to activate instead!)
One thing about AO3 is that because of the way the tags are curated you don't have to type the full exact official tag with all the accents if it's too much work: you can type "Phantom of the Opera - Leroux" and it will behave in all practical respects as if you'd entered the full thing.
(This works more conveniently with aliases that already exist -- you can find a tag's existing aliases on the tag's landing page, under the heading "Tags with the same meaning" -- because it will start working immediately. But fundamentally you can put in the fandom name however you like and as long as it's clear which fandom you meant it will sooner or later be hooked up to the rest of the fandom.)
Now if only there were an option to search Dreamwidth tags for a combination of "fic-meta" AND "swedish", for example...
According to the Dreamwidth faq, this ought to work: https://igenlode.dreamwidth.org/tag/fic-meta,swedish?mode=and
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Ooh, that's *very* useful! And I doubt I'd ever have found "the tag's landing page" by playing around at random (you basically have to click through twice from the link on a story; I was looking for something labelled 'landing page', but of course there isn't one).
It gives you all the existing forms of the character names, as well, so you don't have to search through other people's stories to find that Cosette is defined as "Cosette Fauchelevent" but the Phantom as "Erik | Phantom of the Opera" -- and it tells you the tag for the relevant general fandom, if any.
I need to bookmark that!
'mode=or' works, as well... I wonder if there are other options?
Where did you find it in the FAQ? I did look quite extensively a few years back, but the nearest thing I could find was the tag:subtag syntax.
This is an awful lot more useful than having to define an entire subcategory for fic-metas of each separate story, for example... (though I'm quite glad I did go back to subdivide all the fiction: categories)
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The information about searching for multiple tags is in the last paragraph of the faq page What are tags?. "and" and "or" are the only mode options that it mentions.
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In my defence, it looks as if that *may* be a new feature post-dating my last FAQ search in quest of such a thing -- it's a note at the bottom of a page that says it was updated as of 2018, while I was being frustrated by the inability to search for intersecting tags back in August 2017!